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Why should we use Category Theory where a "normal" math would do?


My main motivation, in Kant's language, is Apodeictical: CT is fundamentally visual, therefore we can clearly demonstrate mathematical concepts to people who have trouble grasping "normal" math language. We know from psychological studies that the right visual representation improves problem understanding and solving from 10 to 100 times. Unfortunately, our standard modes of explanation and testing for intelligence are skewed toward algebraic and linguistic expressions, mostly because they are easier for multiple choice problems. As the result, we waste a powerful communication channel and we put at a disadvantage people who have high visual intelligence.

By contrast with programming, where the emphasis is on performance rather than explanation, in natural and artificial sciences the need for communicating concepts is essential to the success of a theory and its models. Furthermore, in this field of inquiry concept construction is often more important than actual computation. Therefore, adoption of CT for developing ideas should be promoted in fields where analytical results have to be aligned with the need to communicate them to lay people who may lack in math background, but have plenty of smarts and practical experience.

Date: 2019-09-21 05:25 am (UTC)
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Then why should we use category theory where set theory (with the same visual representation) would do? I.e. when your categories don't have morphisms between different objects, or have at most one morphism (thus being effectively posets)?

Date: 2019-09-21 10:01 pm (UTC)
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Can you give an example where you use categories to explain common notions (like here: https://timelets.dreamwidth.org/832278.html) and the categories have morphisms beyond identity morphisms?

Date: 2019-09-22 09:16 pm (UTC)
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So, no example.

If you are not defining the morphisms, you are already doing all of it with sets. A category with only identity morphisms IS a set, and a functor between such categories is a map of sets. (There are no nontrivial natural transformations though, since a natural transformation is a bunch of morphisms in the target category). You can do a lot with sets! You can visually depict things with diagrams. You can impose conditions such as commutativity of those diagrams. You can take limits and colimits of diagrams, including coproducts and products. You can use those diagrams to express things like rules of algebra (aka "normal" math language). This is exactly what you describe in your post.

Date: 2019-09-22 11:56 pm (UTC)
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A (small) category consists of a set of objects, and for any two objects, a set of morphisms (maps, arrows) between them. If we have a category whose objects are, say, consumer desires, then what are the arrows between two different desires? Can you describe an associative composition of those arrows?

Date: 2019-09-23 03:42 am (UTC)
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Are all of the morphisms (except identities) in the category pictured here, or are you considering a category generated by those with relations listed on the left?
Edited Date: 2019-09-23 03:43 am (UTC)

Date: 2019-09-23 03:54 am (UTC)
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Actually, disregard the question: it can't be all morphisms, since it misses any morphisms between A and R (and we have ue and tr). So, a category given by generators and relations. Great, this is definitely a category!

What I am questioning is not your ability to consider a category, but the usefulness of these models applied to non-mathematical notions. A category has a binary operation (composition) that needs to be associative; this restricts the options for "real life" interpretations of morphisms in a category severely.

Date: 2019-09-23 06:26 am (UTC)
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1) Glad to be of help.

2) I'll take your word for it: me, I am a greenhouse flower, never having seen an investor in my life :).

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